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		<title>By: sex ed for the very young: talking with children about sex</title>
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		<dc:creator>sex ed for the very young: talking with children about sex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 18:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post &#8220;Innocent&#8221; at Seagull [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rude awakening &#124; Seagull Fountain</title>
		<link>http://www.seagullfountain.com/2010/02/25/innocent/comment-page-1/#comment-56372</link>
		<dc:creator>Rude awakening &#124; Seagull Fountain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 04:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] she gave up and we were able to concentrate. Afterward, I asked her if she didn&#8217;t remember that talk we had a few months ago, about how if mommy and daddy&#8217;s door is locked, you don&#8217;t want [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] she gave up and we were able to concentrate. Afterward, I asked her if she didn&#8217;t remember that talk we had a few months ago, about how if mommy and daddy&#8217;s door is locked, you don&#8217;t want [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kitchen Wisdom &#124; Seagull Fountain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kitchen Wisdom &#124; Seagull Fountain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 14:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] do teach her important stuff, like the meaning of sex, or why we don&#8217;t drink alcohol (Hint: it&#8217;s not in the 10 Commandments, like she was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Charlotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with you!  I believe parents should always be the first ones to have the conversation because first impressions on things make such a huge impact.  And that includes the details, too.  I want first crack at it all.  

My daughter is 13 and has a friend (who is LDS) who is no longer a virgin.  Luckily we already had the talk and could discuss the repercussions of the her friend&#039;s actions.  Isn&#039;t the saying work for the best and prepare for the worst?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with you!  I believe parents should always be the first ones to have the conversation because first impressions on things make such a huge impact.  And that includes the details, too.  I want first crack at it all.  </p>
<p>My daughter is 13 and has a friend (who is LDS) who is no longer a virgin.  Luckily we already had the talk and could discuss the repercussions of the her friend&#8217;s actions.  Isn&#8217;t the saying work for the best and prepare for the worst?</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is so, so timely for me. I am going to be involved in giving the Church some feedback on how they can help parents in different aspects of their lives. I am not a parent, but I have worked with teenagers and at-risk youth for over 10 years.

One of the things I see is how little information parents give their kids about sex. You should hear the myths these kids tell me. It&#039;s horrifying. I believe, in a perfect world, abstinence should only be taught in the classroom. But that&#039;s based upon parents actually talking to their kids. I think a lot of parents think that if they talk about their kids will do it. Not true. They will at least have good, accurate information.

One thing I would like to see the Church do better is maybe come out with what to talk about so parents can give information, without feeling like they are giving permission. I think a lot of the talks are basically about intimacy, and times when it&#039;s appropriate, etc., which is great, but honestly, you need to talk about birth control, STDs, pregnancy, petting, how oral sex is still sex, etc. DETAILS. 

Sorry, I&#039;ll get off my soapbox now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is so, so timely for me. I am going to be involved in giving the Church some feedback on how they can help parents in different aspects of their lives. I am not a parent, but I have worked with teenagers and at-risk youth for over 10 years.</p>
<p>One of the things I see is how little information parents give their kids about sex. You should hear the myths these kids tell me. It&#8217;s horrifying. I believe, in a perfect world, abstinence should only be taught in the classroom. But that&#8217;s based upon parents actually talking to their kids. I think a lot of parents think that if they talk about their kids will do it. Not true. They will at least have good, accurate information.</p>
<p>One thing I would like to see the Church do better is maybe come out with what to talk about so parents can give information, without feeling like they are giving permission. I think a lot of the talks are basically about intimacy, and times when it&#8217;s appropriate, etc., which is great, but honestly, you need to talk about birth control, STDs, pregnancy, petting, how oral sex is still sex, etc. DETAILS. </p>
<p>Sorry, I&#8217;ll get off my soapbox now!</p>
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		<title>By: Sharla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this post.  And now I&#039;m a little freaked out because it hasn&#039;t even occurred to me that I might need to have this talk with Ebug.  Oi vey!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this post.  And now I&#8217;m a little freaked out because it hasn&#8217;t even occurred to me that I might need to have this talk with Ebug.  Oi vey!</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I can only congratulate you on a job well done.</description>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I thought about waiting longer, but mostly I wanted to open up the subject so that she&#039;d know, when she does have questions later, that she can and should come to us, and we&#039;ll tell her anything she wants to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I thought about waiting longer, but mostly I wanted to open up the subject so that she&#8217;d know, when she does have questions later, that she can and should come to us, and we&#8217;ll tell her anything she wants to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I did mention something to Sally that it might hurt the first time -- I remember being quite upset w/ my mom for not telling me that part -- she later confessed to not enjoying sex for quite awhile after marriage. I plan to be much more specific and even more open, as they get older. 

One of my roommates at BYU (how many great/funny sex things do you hear at the Y?) insisted on pronouncing penis &quot;pennis&quot;; she thought that sounded much less dirty or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I did mention something to Sally that it might hurt the first time &#8212; I remember being quite upset w/ my mom for not telling me that part &#8212; she later confessed to not enjoying sex for quite awhile after marriage. I plan to be much more specific and even more open, as they get older. </p>
<p>One of my roommates at BYU (how many great/funny sex things do you hear at the Y?) insisted on pronouncing penis &#8220;pennis&#8221;; she thought that sounded much less dirty or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep -- Sally thinks boys are the most annoying thing on earth. ;p</description>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the talk at 8, so I definitely wasn&#039;t doing it earlier, but I agree -- esp if we still lived in Florida or something, I would be much more concerned about the early-sexualization of children. I know I need to be concerned here, too, but I am so happy to live here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the talk at 8, so I definitely wasn&#8217;t doing it earlier, but I agree &#8212; esp if we still lived in Florida or something, I would be much more concerned about the early-sexualization of children. I know I need to be concerned here, too, but I am so happy to live here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think the Heart one is totally kid-safe. (the Meatloaf one, however, is not.)
(Okay, so I went back and watched it, and there are a couple things in the Heart one I don&#039;t want to explain to my kids, but it is hilarious; you have to watch it, if you haven&#039;t already seen it. So clever.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think the Heart one is totally kid-safe. (the Meatloaf one, however, is not.)<br />
(Okay, so I went back and watched it, and there are a couple things in the Heart one I don&#8217;t want to explain to my kids, but it is hilarious; you have to watch it, if you haven&#8217;t already seen it. So clever.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you have to watch the church child abuse video? We did during teacher improvement for primary once, and I cried the whole time.</description>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That has been my only regret -- like when we are watching the Heart literal video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA (which is hilaire!) and I think, uh-oh, she might understand stuff now that I was confident would go over her head before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That has been my only regret &#8212; like when we are watching the Heart literal video <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA</a> (which is hilaire!) and I think, uh-oh, she might understand stuff now that I was confident would go over her head before.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a big fan of talking about it at their level and when they ask.  My kids knew sex made babies and why one should wait to do it.  Then, when they were older (10-11) we talked about the exact specifics.  Just last week I was chatting with my 11 year-old and made sure he remembered that when a certain time came all he had to do was throw the sheets in the washing machine and mention that he&#039;d liked them washed that day.

I have always been open and direct and it wasn&#039;t that awkward when we became specific.  When my husband taught the boys (10 &amp; 8 at the time) he brought out the anatomy books.

My talks include the things you mentioned, too.  No reason to make them scared about it, it is after all a wonderful thing.

Also, want to know slightly uncomfortable?  When they get the slightly off color references you make.  Those are only funny when just your husband gets them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of talking about it at their level and when they ask.  My kids knew sex made babies and why one should wait to do it.  Then, when they were older (10-11) we talked about the exact specifics.  Just last week I was chatting with my 11 year-old and made sure he remembered that when a certain time came all he had to do was throw the sheets in the washing machine and mention that he&#8217;d liked them washed that day.</p>
<p>I have always been open and direct and it wasn&#8217;t that awkward when we became specific.  When my husband taught the boys (10 &amp; 8 at the time) he brought out the anatomy books.</p>
<p>My talks include the things you mentioned, too.  No reason to make them scared about it, it is after all a wonderful thing.</p>
<p>Also, want to know slightly uncomfortable?  When they get the slightly off color references you make.  Those are only funny when just your husband gets them.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Egads!  I have so many errors in that, leaving out words and such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Egads!  I have so many errors in that, leaving out words and such.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a book called &quot;How to talk to your child about sex.&quot;  It encourages having the talk around age eight.  My oldest just turned eight and I have pondering about how to have this talk with him.  I need to read the book again.  We recently had to have a talk about child abuse/sexual abuse as a requirement for cub scouts.  He seemed very embarrassed by it also completely innocent.  But I know it&#039;s just a matter of time.  And I want my kids to hear it from my husband and me before anyone else.  

I recall when I found out that I thought it was an awful thing.  I was 9.  I told the boy in my class that I would NEVER do that.  He told me, &quot;You parents did it.&quot;  And I said, &quot;No way!  We&#039;re Mormon.  They don&#039;t do bad things.&quot;  lol

I did feel embarrassed and scared that I learned something like that.  I felt like it was a dirty secret I knew.  There was no way I was going to tell my parents I knew something like that.

So, yeah.  I need to have that talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a book called &#8220;How to talk to your child about sex.&#8221;  It encourages having the talk around age eight.  My oldest just turned eight and I have pondering about how to have this talk with him.  I need to read the book again.  We recently had to have a talk about child abuse/sexual abuse as a requirement for cub scouts.  He seemed very embarrassed by it also completely innocent.  But I know it&#8217;s just a matter of time.  And I want my kids to hear it from my husband and me before anyone else.  </p>
<p>I recall when I found out that I thought it was an awful thing.  I was 9.  I told the boy in my class that I would NEVER do that.  He told me, &#8220;You parents did it.&#8221;  And I said, &#8220;No way!  We&#8217;re Mormon.  They don&#8217;t do bad things.&#8221;  lol</p>
<p>I did feel embarrassed and scared that I learned something like that.  I felt like it was a dirty secret I knew.  There was no way I was going to tell my parents I knew something like that.</p>
<p>So, yeah.  I need to have that talk.</p>
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		<title>By: TopHat</title>
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		<dc:creator>TopHat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds much better than my experience! My mom waited until I was 12- which is a little too late, to be honest. The girl across the street had informed me in second grade that sex was &quot;when a boy pees in a girl&#039;s pee hole.&quot; 

And then later (I was 16 or so) she realized she forgot to mention masturbation and oral sex. That was a short talk. According to my mom oral sex is &quot;if what you&#039;re picturing is gross, then that&#039;s it.&quot; 

They also assured us we could come to them with questions, but to be honest, I didn&#039;t really trust them to answer well, so I never did. Most of my sex ed was from public school. I learned about the clitoris in an online BYU health class, which was useful, but still probably years too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds much better than my experience! My mom waited until I was 12- which is a little too late, to be honest. The girl across the street had informed me in second grade that sex was &#8220;when a boy pees in a girl&#8217;s pee hole.&#8221; </p>
<p>And then later (I was 16 or so) she realized she forgot to mention masturbation and oral sex. That was a short talk. According to my mom oral sex is &#8220;if what you&#8217;re picturing is gross, then that&#8217;s it.&#8221; </p>
<p>They also assured us we could come to them with questions, but to be honest, I didn&#8217;t really trust them to answer well, so I never did. Most of my sex ed was from public school. I learned about the clitoris in an online BYU health class, which was useful, but still probably years too late.</p>
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		<title>By: steff</title>
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		<dc:creator>steff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad my boys don&#039;t seem that interested in learning either.  both are well versed in how babies are born(6- you can squeeze em out where they are all squished like silly putty, or the dr can cut your tummy up with lots of blood and stuff)
but think kissing is gross and boobs are yucky girl stuff 
LOL
I hold out talking until they even notice more of a difference
steff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad my boys don&#8217;t seem that interested in learning either.  both are well versed in how babies are born(6- you can squeeze em out where they are all squished like silly putty, or the dr can cut your tummy up with lots of blood and stuff)<br />
but think kissing is gross and boobs are yucky girl stuff<br />
LOL<br />
I hold out talking until they even notice more of a difference<br />
steff</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely enjoyed reading your sweet experience.  And I am so glad that you shared it.</description>
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