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		<title>By: Kirsty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirsty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two more years of blissful daycare before prep (preschool, the year before grade 1, which here now is part of the school system, uniforms &amp; all). Ever since my grade 10 English teacher only knew two kinds of sonnet, not all three kinds, I&#039;ve worried about my future with English and language teachers when my child hits the school system. And how very precocious of me to be so uppity about knowing more about sonnets than my teacher ... *rolling eyes*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two more years of blissful daycare before prep (preschool, the year before grade 1, which here now is part of the school system, uniforms &amp; all). Ever since my grade 10 English teacher only knew two kinds of sonnet, not all three kinds, I&#8217;ve worried about my future with English and language teachers when my child hits the school system. And how very precocious of me to be so uppity about knowing more about sonnets than my teacher &#8230; *rolling eyes*.</p>
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		<title>By: cousin sylwia</title>
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		<dc:creator>cousin sylwia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree that enjoying a book and testing well are two different skills.  

when my kids first started school we were in iowa, in one of the best school districts in the US, and their elementary schools did  not give kids grades.  they also had a ton of parent teacher conferences to let us know where the kids needed reinforcement.

now we live in Georgia, where everything is graded.  even homework in kindergarten, or any worksheet or assignments.  right away they are labeled as smart or not smart.  even their behavior is graded.  and it just so happens that it is one of the worst school districts in the nation...also they don&#039;t do parent teacher conferences here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree that enjoying a book and testing well are two different skills.  </p>
<p>when my kids first started school we were in iowa, in one of the best school districts in the US, and their elementary schools did  not give kids grades.  they also had a ton of parent teacher conferences to let us know where the kids needed reinforcement.</p>
<p>now we live in Georgia, where everything is graded.  even homework in kindergarten, or any worksheet or assignments.  right away they are labeled as smart or not smart.  even their behavior is graded.  and it just so happens that it is one of the worst school districts in the nation&#8230;also they don&#8217;t do parent teacher conferences here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marianne@Writer-Mommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne@Writer-Mommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;teaching to the test&quot; happens not only in public schools but in private schools as well because one of the big selling points of private schools is that their students outperform the local public school districts on standardized testing.  

(I have two in parochial school so I speak from experience.)

It bugs me to no end as well, this teaching our kids how to test well rather than inciting a passion for learning.  My 6 y o also gets the &quot;reads fluently above grade level but doesn&#039;t always comprehend (test) well&quot; comment from time to time.

There&#039;s a time to learn how to be test savvy (jr &amp; high school) and there&#039;s a time to simply encourage kids to love love LOVE reading.  Reading is the most fundamental of learning skills; I always tell my kids if you can read, you can learn ANYTHING with time and practice.

I&#039;m just echoing your thoughts, here, but just had to chime in.  And I&#039;ve read about 7 or 8 homeschooling books since Christmas...just becoming informed.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;teaching to the test&#8221; happens not only in public schools but in private schools as well because one of the big selling points of private schools is that their students outperform the local public school districts on standardized testing.  </p>
<p>(I have two in parochial school so I speak from experience.)</p>
<p>It bugs me to no end as well, this teaching our kids how to test well rather than inciting a passion for learning.  My 6 y o also gets the &#8220;reads fluently above grade level but doesn&#8217;t always comprehend (test) well&#8221; comment from time to time.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a time to learn how to be test savvy (jr &amp; high school) and there&#8217;s a time to simply encourage kids to love love LOVE reading.  Reading is the most fundamental of learning skills; I always tell my kids if you can read, you can learn ANYTHING with time and practice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just echoing your thoughts, here, but just had to chime in.  And I&#8217;ve read about 7 or 8 homeschooling books since Christmas&#8230;just becoming informed.  <img src='http://www.seagullfountain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a good thing PT conf. only comes around three times a year; there is time to cool off in between...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a good thing PT conf. only comes around three times a year; there is time to cool off in between&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! Although I would add that elementary school should also be about playing and having fun. I am so much more concerned that my kids love books -- I don&#039;t even care when they learn how to read, they&#039;ll learn sometime. Much more important that they love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! Although I would add that elementary school should also be about playing and having fun. I am so much more concerned that my kids love books &#8212; I don&#8217;t even care when they learn how to read, they&#8217;ll learn sometime. Much more important that they love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel very strongly that kids learn to read when they&#039;re ready (if given all opportunity and support); I really think it&#039;s like walking. Some walk early, some late; they&#039;re not going to walk before their legs are ready. Sally walked on her 1st birthday, but she didn&#039;t speak much until she was 2 1/2. Once she started talking, it was complete sentences within a couple months. 

So yeah, sometimes I think homeschooling is the way to go, because every kid is so different. And a teacher with a classful is never going to know your child as well as you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel very strongly that kids learn to read when they&#8217;re ready (if given all opportunity and support); I really think it&#8217;s like walking. Some walk early, some late; they&#8217;re not going to walk before their legs are ready. Sally walked on her 1st birthday, but she didn&#8217;t speak much until she was 2 1/2. Once she started talking, it was complete sentences within a couple months. </p>
<p>So yeah, sometimes I think homeschooling is the way to go, because every kid is so different. And a teacher with a classful is never going to know your child as well as you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sally just turned nine, and she&#039;s not a delicate flower or anything, and it&#039;s not like a B+ is the end of the world, anyway. I&#039;m not against tests, standardized or otherwise, I was just a little flummoxed that I needed to explain to her the difference between learning and testing, knowing and answering so young. 

I think there&#039;s a big difference between asking about a book&#039;s themes or a character&#039;s motives or how the reader looks at life differently after reading and asking what color shirt a secondary character wore in chapter three. The first type of question demands critical thinking skills, the second type of question is easy to grade. The first type of question is the kind we ask around the dinner table, the second is easy to ask of 29 third-graders.

I agree with you on looking at a book in different ways. I&#039;m all for reading a book more than once. My favorite books I read once a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sally just turned nine, and she&#8217;s not a delicate flower or anything, and it&#8217;s not like a B+ is the end of the world, anyway. I&#8217;m not against tests, standardized or otherwise, I was just a little flummoxed that I needed to explain to her the difference between learning and testing, knowing and answering so young. </p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a big difference between asking about a book&#8217;s themes or a character&#8217;s motives or how the reader looks at life differently after reading and asking what color shirt a secondary character wore in chapter three. The first type of question demands critical thinking skills, the second type of question is easy to grade. The first type of question is the kind we ask around the dinner table, the second is easy to ask of 29 third-graders.</p>
<p>I agree with you on looking at a book in different ways. I&#8217;m all for reading a book more than once. My favorite books I read once a year.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, I haven&#039;t read anything by WCW since that class, but I sure can recite that red wheelbarrow poem. The guitar and talk-singing were spectacularly awesome. 

Sounds like a great book. I&#039;ll look for it... or beg your copy. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, I haven&#8217;t read anything by WCW since that class, but I sure can recite that red wheelbarrow poem. The guitar and talk-singing were spectacularly awesome. </p>
<p>Sounds like a great book. I&#8217;ll look for it&#8230; or beg your copy. <img src='http://www.seagullfountain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur with Emily H.  While I&#039;m not defending this particular teacher&#039;s handling of the situation, I do think it&#039;s important to &quot;look&quot; at a book in several ways to get the most out of a book.  If we have to write about a book, discuss the book, even *gasp* test on a book, it makes us read it in a deeper way.  We&#039;re more likely to take the time to mark passages, wonder about questions posed and put ourselves into the shoes of the characters.  This kind of reading is taught.

Having said all of that, I think Sally is too dang young for all of that business.  I disagree with testing entirely until the child is at least eight.  But, in my one room school house, I have that option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur with Emily H.  While I&#8217;m not defending this particular teacher&#8217;s handling of the situation, I do think it&#8217;s important to &#8220;look&#8221; at a book in several ways to get the most out of a book.  If we have to write about a book, discuss the book, even *gasp* test on a book, it makes us read it in a deeper way.  We&#8217;re more likely to take the time to mark passages, wonder about questions posed and put ourselves into the shoes of the characters.  This kind of reading is taught.</p>
<p>Having said all of that, I think Sally is too dang young for all of that business.  I disagree with testing entirely until the child is at least eight.  But, in my one room school house, I have that option.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude. Seriously. I would have gone full on crazy to this teacher. I agree that I understand her point (I AM an English teacher) but I would want a student to LOVE reading first and foremost.  Teach a student to love to read and they can educate themselves. I studied English not to make 10 year olds write essays but because I LOVE TO READ and I want to share that with other people. You have more patience than I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude. Seriously. I would have gone full on crazy to this teacher. I agree that I understand her point (I AM an English teacher) but I would want a student to LOVE reading first and foremost.  Teach a student to love to read and they can educate themselves. I studied English not to make 10 year olds write essays but because I LOVE TO READ and I want to share that with other people. You have more patience than I.</p>
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		<title>By: La Yen</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Yen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my biggest problem with the public education system.  I completely understand the IDEA behind the testing, but the execution, administration, and evaluation of it is bananas. In my mind, the whole purpose of elementary school should be getting kids to love school, love learning, and feel like they are smart.  The end.  Middle school should be about teaching the kids processes, procedures, and research.  THEN in high school they can learn about the nitty gritty and how to figure out how to get over on tests so that in college they can spend the most time partying as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my biggest problem with the public education system.  I completely understand the IDEA behind the testing, but the execution, administration, and evaluation of it is bananas. In my mind, the whole purpose of elementary school should be getting kids to love school, love learning, and feel like they are smart.  The end.  Middle school should be about teaching the kids processes, procedures, and research.  THEN in high school they can learn about the nitty gritty and how to figure out how to get over on tests so that in college they can spend the most time partying as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Mamma Frog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Mamma Frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re so lucky...in the UK kids are expected to start reading age 5. If they are not reasonably fluent readers by the age of 7 then they&#039;re considered &#039;behind&#039;. Not reading at age 8...&#039;special needs&#039;. It&#039;s a bummer. And here, so much &#039;teaching to the test&#039;. Whatever happened to the fun of learning? sigh. :( That&#039;s why we home educate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re so lucky&#8230;in the UK kids are expected to start reading age 5. If they are not reasonably fluent readers by the age of 7 then they&#8217;re considered &#8216;behind&#8217;. Not reading at age 8&#8230;&#8217;special needs&#8217;. It&#8217;s a bummer. And here, so much &#8216;teaching to the test&#8217;. Whatever happened to the fun of learning? sigh. <img src='http://www.seagullfountain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  That&#8217;s why we home educate.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too would read a book in one night and then have to go back and fill out those worksheets in Honors English classes, but for me that was a good thing. I read so quickly I often forgot the small-yet-important details between the lines of text. For me those lame, often ponderous worksheets reminded me of what I&#039;d just read!

Perhaps I can tutor Sarah in test-taking since I was such a pro at it (remember my telling you about cramming for tests during our recent play date?). And then she can teach me all about knowing and understanding the book I&#039;ve just read. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too would read a book in one night and then have to go back and fill out those worksheets in Honors English classes, but for me that was a good thing. I read so quickly I often forgot the small-yet-important details between the lines of text. For me those lame, often ponderous worksheets reminded me of what I&#8217;d just read!</p>
<p>Perhaps I can tutor Sarah in test-taking since I was such a pro at it (remember my telling you about cramming for tests during our recent play date?). And then she can teach me all about knowing and understanding the book I&#8217;ve just read. <img src='http://www.seagullfountain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Memarie Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Memarie Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO William Carlos Williams is just about the most overhyped poet ever to be published. That one about the plums is just worthless. But my teacher didn&#039;t play guitar, maybe that makes a difference.

I&#039;m reading a book right now by a really well renowned public school teacher name Rafe Esquith. He&#039;s been recognized by Oprah, the Dalai Lama, and the Queen of England. His book, Teach Like Your Hair is On Fire, is meant to inspire teachers and give them ideas in the classroom, but is also an unintentional expose on the ridiculous things that happen in the public school system as far as testing and such. Everything you&#039;ve said here about reading, he says in his book. Teachers can still teach effectively without succumbing to the brain vacuum that is the testing system, Esquith does. But most don&#039;t bother or just don&#039;t see how. Maybe I&#039;ll send you the book when I&#039;m done. Even if you don&#039;t homeschool, it gives you a good idea of how the system works, and how it can be amended by parents and caring teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO William Carlos Williams is just about the most overhyped poet ever to be published. That one about the plums is just worthless. But my teacher didn&#8217;t play guitar, maybe that makes a difference.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reading a book right now by a really well renowned public school teacher name Rafe Esquith. He&#8217;s been recognized by Oprah, the Dalai Lama, and the Queen of England. His book, Teach Like Your Hair is On Fire, is meant to inspire teachers and give them ideas in the classroom, but is also an unintentional expose on the ridiculous things that happen in the public school system as far as testing and such. Everything you&#8217;ve said here about reading, he says in his book. Teachers can still teach effectively without succumbing to the brain vacuum that is the testing system, Esquith does. But most don&#8217;t bother or just don&#8217;t see how. Maybe I&#8217;ll send you the book when I&#8217;m done. Even if you don&#8217;t homeschool, it gives you a good idea of how the system works, and how it can be amended by parents and caring teachers.</p>
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