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	<title>Comments on: You might be sorry you asked, Kirsty, but here goes</title>
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		<title>By: Donn Holt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donn Holt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 19:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow am I really the first reply to your incredible article?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow am I really the first reply to your incredible article?</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirsty -- I got mad at the Japanese tourists in Verona who all wanted their pictures taken with Juliet&#039;s statue, holding one of her breasts. Erk.

(And I wanted to mention that there have been times that I&#039;ve not felt worthy to go to the temple. There&#039;s a list of questions (like, are you morally clean, do you pay your tithing, etc) before you can go in the temple, and the last question is &quot;do you feel worthy?&quot; It&#039;s a hard question to answer, sometimes.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirsty &#8212; I got mad at the Japanese tourists in Verona who all wanted their pictures taken with Juliet&#8217;s statue, holding one of her breasts. Erk.</p>
<p>(And I wanted to mention that there have been times that I&#8217;ve not felt worthy to go to the temple. There&#8217;s a list of questions (like, are you morally clean, do you pay your tithing, etc) before you can go in the temple, and the last question is &#8220;do you feel worthy?&#8221; It&#8217;s a hard question to answer, sometimes.)</p>
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		<title>By: The Espersen Family</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Espersen Family</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the way that you explain this.  I&#039;m glad that people are asking questions and are curious to know the real truth behind our religion. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the way that you explain this.  I&#8217;m glad that people are asking questions and are curious to know the real truth behind our religion. <img src='http://www.seagullfountain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kirsty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirsty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks about the point on secret vs sacred. I guess I&#039;d only ever heard non-Mormons tell me that &quot;only Mormons can go into their temples&quot;, not that it is God&#039;s house for His people to worship in. And in a way, that&#039;s kind of nice. 
I&#039;ve found the tourist hordes in places like Westminster Cathedral and St. Paul&#039;s in London, the Blue Mosque in Istanbul, and St. Peter&#039;s in Rome to generally treat these houses of God as Another Old Building to see on their touring itinerary, sneak photos even if vergers are chasing them down and &quot;no photos&quot; signs are almost more prominent than the religious iconography. It&#039;s also very surreal to be surrounded by robed nuns, who are also trying to take a photo of the Pieta. 
OK, enough travel bragging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks about the point on secret vs sacred. I guess I&#8217;d only ever heard non-Mormons tell me that &#8220;only Mormons can go into their temples&#8221;, not that it is God&#8217;s house for His people to worship in. And in a way, that&#8217;s kind of nice.<br />
I&#8217;ve found the tourist hordes in places like Westminster Cathedral and St. Paul&#8217;s in London, the Blue Mosque in Istanbul, and St. Peter&#8217;s in Rome to generally treat these houses of God as Another Old Building to see on their touring itinerary, sneak photos even if vergers are chasing them down and &#8220;no photos&#8221; signs are almost more prominent than the religious iconography. It&#8217;s also very surreal to be surrounded by robed nuns, who are also trying to take a photo of the Pieta.<br />
OK, enough travel bragging.</p>
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		<title>By: Marianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so interesting, Jane.  Thanks for sharing with such candor.

I also think it&#039;s very cool that you&#039;re corresponding with Jennifer at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.conversiondiary.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Conversion Diary&lt;/a&gt;.  I read her regularly and her posts truly challenge me to take a look at my own Catholicism and examine where I stand on &quot;big&quot; issues. 

The birth control issue has always been a big sticking point for me; I do understand (quite well, in fact) the Catechism behind it.  And I do also understand how NFP works - used it to &lt;b&gt;get&lt;/b&gt; pregnant with my first.  It&#039;s just a big, big thing to fully commit oneself to.  And NFP works well when and only when you can be completely detail-oriented/obsessed about it; it&#039;s not always easy to take a basal temperature lying still in bed at the same time every day when you&#039;ve got three kids running amok through the kitchen!

Ok, TMI.

;-)

Love the family photo from the baptism, too.  Bee-YOU-ti-ful!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so interesting, Jane.  Thanks for sharing with such candor.</p>
<p>I also think it&#8217;s very cool that you&#8217;re corresponding with Jennifer at <a href="http://www.conversiondiary.com" rel="nofollow">Conversion Diary</a>.  I read her regularly and her posts truly challenge me to take a look at my own Catholicism and examine where I stand on &#8220;big&#8221; issues. </p>
<p>The birth control issue has always been a big sticking point for me; I do understand (quite well, in fact) the Catechism behind it.  And I do also understand how NFP works &#8211; used it to <b>get</b> pregnant with my first.  It&#8217;s just a big, big thing to fully commit oneself to.  And NFP works well when and only when you can be completely detail-oriented/obsessed about it; it&#8217;s not always easy to take a basal temperature lying still in bed at the same time every day when you&#8217;ve got three kids running amok through the kitchen!</p>
<p>Ok, TMI.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.seagullfountain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Love the family photo from the baptism, too.  Bee-YOU-ti-ful!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirsty -- As Tiffany said, the person getting baptized and everyone else would be more than happy for you to attend a baptism. 

Open houses are held at all of our temples in an effort to do missionary work (to get people interested), but also to show the community that we&#039;re good neighbors. We don&#039;t do any weird things in them (well, &quot;weird&quot; is subjective I guess). My point is we like to differentiate between &quot;secret&quot; and &quot;sacred.&quot; Anyone can go inside a temple before it&#039;s dedicated and see that it&#039;s not so different from other houses of worship. What makes it different is that it&#039;s considered a literal house of God once it&#039;s been dedicated to Him. 

Anna -- Formal/heirloom gifts aren&#039;t common for a baby blessing in the Mormon church. (Of course gifts are always nice, but they&#039;re not expected).  The blessing itself is a short prayer at the beginning of a regular church service on Sunday. Extended family will make an effort to attend, but usually only a few very close friends (our families are often big, so usually there are plenty of aunts and uncles and cousins). The regular congregation is there too. Sometimes families bless their babies at home, but these are usually just for the extended family too.

I&#039;m sure your acquaintance would be happy for you to attend the blessing and that day&#039;s service if you&#039;re interested. But it&#039;s not really a &quot;ceremony,&quot; per se, if that makes any sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirsty &#8212; As Tiffany said, the person getting baptized and everyone else would be more than happy for you to attend a baptism. </p>
<p>Open houses are held at all of our temples in an effort to do missionary work (to get people interested), but also to show the community that we&#8217;re good neighbors. We don&#8217;t do any weird things in them (well, &#8220;weird&#8221; is subjective I guess). My point is we like to differentiate between &#8220;secret&#8221; and &#8220;sacred.&#8221; Anyone can go inside a temple before it&#8217;s dedicated and see that it&#8217;s not so different from other houses of worship. What makes it different is that it&#8217;s considered a literal house of God once it&#8217;s been dedicated to Him. </p>
<p>Anna &#8212; Formal/heirloom gifts aren&#8217;t common for a baby blessing in the Mormon church. (Of course gifts are always nice, but they&#8217;re not expected).  The blessing itself is a short prayer at the beginning of a regular church service on Sunday. Extended family will make an effort to attend, but usually only a few very close friends (our families are often big, so usually there are plenty of aunts and uncles and cousins). The regular congregation is there too. Sometimes families bless their babies at home, but these are usually just for the extended family too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure your acquaintance would be happy for you to attend the blessing and that day&#8217;s service if you&#8217;re interested. But it&#8217;s not really a &#8220;ceremony,&#8221; per se, if that makes any sense.</p>
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		<title>By: anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for explaining that, I have an acquaintence that&#039;s newly joined to the Mormon faith, and I wasn&#039;t really sure what the baptism ceremony entailed.  I was wondering: is the ordinance for giving the baby&#039;s name part of a formal ceremony?  Is it appropriate to give a heirloom gift at that time, like for a christening?  Or is it more an event that just close family members attend?  This acquaintance is just starting with children, and we weren&#039;t sure if there were a special time to give a formal gift to the baby.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for explaining that, I have an acquaintence that&#8217;s newly joined to the Mormon faith, and I wasn&#8217;t really sure what the baptism ceremony entailed.  I was wondering: is the ordinance for giving the baby&#8217;s name part of a formal ceremony?  Is it appropriate to give a heirloom gift at that time, like for a christening?  Or is it more an event that just close family members attend?  This acquaintance is just starting with children, and we weren&#8217;t sure if there were a special time to give a formal gift to the baby.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristy, I know you asked a question of Jane, but I would love to answer it if I may. Anyone is welcome to attend a baptism. My grandparents were not members of my faith, but they attended my baptism and my sisters&#039; baptisms. It was a lovely experience and they were always supportive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristy, I know you asked a question of Jane, but I would love to answer it if I may. Anyone is welcome to attend a baptism. My grandparents were not members of my faith, but they attended my baptism and my sisters&#8217; baptisms. It was a lovely experience and they were always supportive.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane, great explanation! Well written too.</description>
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		<title>By: Kirsty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirsty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that I&#039;ve picked myself up off the couch (I was happily surprised that you&#039;d posted again today, and then I saw my name in the title - crikey! ;) ), thanks for your explanation Jane. I knew I could look up the proper, official information on mormon.org, but I wanted to hear your personal side of it, as someone who grew up within the Mormon faith and is now raising your family within that faith. 

Yes, you&#039;re right, within the Catholic church currently priests are only men, not women. The only ordained clergy role currently for women is as nuns (and even then I don&#039;t think they&#039;re actually &quot;ordained&quot; as nuns). I&#039;ve not been invovled in the Catholic church for a number of years, but remember my high school principal, a nun, commenting that the Catholic church would need to let priests be married before they would be likely to allow women to be priests. 

Thanks again for the explanation. :)

Oh, another thing - can anyone attend the baptism, or can only Mormons attend? A new temple opened (was consecrated? dedicated?)here a few years ago, and before the consecration, anyone was allowed to go inside and check it out. But after the dedication, only Mormons can go in, right? 

A large part of Matilda&#039;s baptism for me (she was 4 months old, so more like Sally&#039;s naming) was being surrounded by family and friends and having the baptism within the Sunday morning church service. Some of my favourite lines are where the whole church congregation promises to help the child (or on occasion adult) in their faith journey. At some point, when she&#039;s Sally age or a bit older, she will confirm the vows we made for her at her baptism, and take on her faith journey for herself. I suddenly realise I&#039;m being somewhat presumptuous that she&#039;ll continue on the faith journey we anticipate for her, but that&#039;s my right as a Mama. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I&#8217;ve picked myself up off the couch (I was happily surprised that you&#8217;d posted again today, and then I saw my name in the title &#8211; crikey! <img src='http://www.seagullfountain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ), thanks for your explanation Jane. I knew I could look up the proper, official information on mormon.org, but I wanted to hear your personal side of it, as someone who grew up within the Mormon faith and is now raising your family within that faith. </p>
<p>Yes, you&#8217;re right, within the Catholic church currently priests are only men, not women. The only ordained clergy role currently for women is as nuns (and even then I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re actually &#8220;ordained&#8221; as nuns). I&#8217;ve not been invovled in the Catholic church for a number of years, but remember my high school principal, a nun, commenting that the Catholic church would need to let priests be married before they would be likely to allow women to be priests. </p>
<p>Thanks again for the explanation. <img src='http://www.seagullfountain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Oh, another thing &#8211; can anyone attend the baptism, or can only Mormons attend? A new temple opened (was consecrated? dedicated?)here a few years ago, and before the consecration, anyone was allowed to go inside and check it out. But after the dedication, only Mormons can go in, right? </p>
<p>A large part of Matilda&#8217;s baptism for me (she was 4 months old, so more like Sally&#8217;s naming) was being surrounded by family and friends and having the baptism within the Sunday morning church service. Some of my favourite lines are where the whole church congregation promises to help the child (or on occasion adult) in their faith journey. At some point, when she&#8217;s Sally age or a bit older, she will confirm the vows we made for her at her baptism, and take on her faith journey for herself. I suddenly realise I&#8217;m being somewhat presumptuous that she&#8217;ll continue on the faith journey we anticipate for her, but that&#8217;s my right as a Mama. <img src='http://www.seagullfountain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gladis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gladis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 05:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting! Thank you for the explanations.</description>
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		<title>By: cousin sylwia</title>
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		<dc:creator>cousin sylwia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jane

you may already know this, but in case you dont, when the prophet receives as stipend as well some other officials in our church, the stipend never comes from tithing funds or fast offering funds.  all stipends come from business ventures that the church owns; ie Bonneville communications, etc.  

i was very pleasantly surprised to hear this.  it only makes sense.</description>
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<p>you may already know this, but in case you dont, when the prophet receives as stipend as well some other officials in our church, the stipend never comes from tithing funds or fast offering funds.  all stipends come from business ventures that the church owns; ie Bonneville communications, etc.  </p>
<p>i was very pleasantly surprised to hear this.  it only makes sense.</p>
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