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By: LeeAnn (aka FrazzMom)

LeeAnn (aka FrazzMom) — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:59:48 +0000

I agree that you need to pick your battles or you will go crazy! A big part of it for us is pre-empting the battle. For instance, we chose a school for our kids that emphasises hands-on learning with a no homework policy (and yes, my older kids transistioned to high school just fine and are now A/B students). Church is non-negotiable, but we attend a church with a great youth group and children’s programs to make it fun. You just need to pick battles in accordance with your families values… Thanks for the thought provoking post!

By: Steffj89

Steffj89 — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:06:10 +0000

I agree with some disagree with others….
school and homework…not optional around here….dont care how smart
part of it is about learning to follow rules and discipline.

tv….simpsons? not ok for my kids, but then neither is spongebob

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By: Memarie Lane

Memarie Lane — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:16:12 +0000

Jane- I saw you put this up on WFMW today and I wanted to tell you my devious plan. Church was always such a chore for me as a kid because my family was the poor family, and we were barely tolerated, never really accepted. Also the church we went to wasn’t big on kids, when it was a family service the kids had to sit on the floor and be quiet. The church I go to now is a lot different, they have a separate children’s church with a good variety of kids who are all accepted and made much of. But I really wanted to give my kids the psychological good vibe with church that I never got, so I’ve started working on a Pavlovian response. Every Sunday after church we stop by the grocery store in our neighborhood and each pick out a donut. We’ve been doing this about a month now and the kids are already thinking “church = sweet and gooey deliciousness.”

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By: Natasha

Natasha — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:19:41 +0000

I agree with almost everything you put here. Here’s where we differ:

1. I will make my children do their homework unless I feel it is negatively impacting their life or mine, too much, or TOTALLY POINTLESS, then I will talk to the teacher and say, “This I won’t support. He knows all of these questions already and the homework is taking away from family time and giving him anxiety.” OR “This school project is way beyond him and I’M not doing it. I have my own homework to do. I don’t think this was a fair assignment for a child his age, so I’m letting you know that it won’t be done.” Ultimately, the school and teachers are not the boss of my children. I PLACE THEM THERE. It’s my choice. I am responsible for his needs. My child is not an employee of the school. When he or she has a JOB, then they will be required to be dependable and do all that is required. But their education is not a service they’re giving to the school. Their education is for THEM and a conscientious parent manages their child’s education. I meet with the teacher and principle each year to discuss the goals unique to my child. I manage my child’s education, from a distance– don’t micromanage. And luckily, I have a school who agrees with this philosophy. They LOVE parents to care this much. Also? I give my kids my own homework assignments, like reading The Story of Helen Keller.

2. Church attendance is a must. I go when I don’t want to and so do the kids. BUT, when they get old enough to make their own choices, I’m not going to threaten them with taking away use of the car or whatever to get them to go. I have seen it have the opposite effect time and time again. I haven’t figured out how to manage possible breaking of major commandments, etc. I’m not sure there’s anything a parent really can do to keep their teens from rebelling. I believe love, acceptance, testimony sharing, will do more to convince them of the Christian message and the power of the church.

3. I totally plan on taking my kids out of school to go on vacation. If they weren’t Gifted, however, I wouldn’t do that. I am apt to let them skip school too. Because it’s not a job. It’s their own education and they owe ME their best effort and if I say, “You’re right. You seem tired/emotional/needy/whatever today and you can take the day off.” A limit is probably a good idea. With my family’s history of mental illness, my kids are probably going to need more than one free day off!

4. Kids are certainly not allowed to swear. But if they do when they’re in their late teens, adulthood, what can I really do?

5. Booster seats are worth the fight, too. Sooooooo many parents I know don’t make their kids because “Bobby wouldn’t let me put him in a booster seat.” Excuse me? Bobby wouldn’t GO ANYWHERE in my house if he wasn’t in a booster seat. I think it’s pretty easy to enforce. With that age group, there’s always currency. It’s the rare kid who will be stubborn enough to not give in.

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By: Shea

Shea — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:49:26 +0000

Bedtime is worth the fight for me. I learned quite early into parenthood that I needed a few hours of peace in the evenings so I could regain my sanity. We don’t fight about it anymore (they’re 7 and 9) and I’m glad I stuck with it through the difficult times.

I’m going to fight my kids on tatoos also. I got one when I was 18 and while I don’t care enough to get it removed, I wish I’d never had it put on. It seems so cliche now.

I think people assume that if you let your child watch The Simpsons you’d let them watch porn on Cinemax. I seem to be able to recognize that The Family Guy is not suitable for children. Everyone knows only smart people really get The Simpsons.

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By: tracey

tracey — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:31:37 +0000

Church – not worth it. I rebelled (thankfully or I wouldn’t have found the beliefs I have now!) after being forced to sit quietly. Did I ever learn anything at church? Only that I hated the dull repetitiveness of it.

Cleanliness – not worth it (to an extent). Germs make you stronger. I freaked out the other day when someone gave my kids antibacterial handwash. FREAKED. Good old soap and water, please.

Homework – worth it. Brilliant or not, they have been told by their “boss” to do something. We don’t get to pick and choose what we want to do at our jobs as adults. Sometimes, the fun stuff needs to wait a few minutes…

Trying new foods – not worth it. If they want to have the palates (sp?) of white food only, I am not going to stress over it. I am also not going to waste my beautiful rainbow of food on someone who will just throw it away or whine about it. Have a multi-vitamin and eat your plain noodles…

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By: MereCat

MereCat — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:27:15 +0000

Sitting in a chair (not standing) – worth the fight, eating cheerios off the floor – not worth it.

Good topic!

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By: Kari

Kari — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:33:24 +0000

Ooh, great post!! I agree with most of what you said, except for the homework part. I don’t want to undermine the teacher’s authority and make it seem like they don’t have to do what she says. Plus I think it’s an important responsibility for them to learn. They can play and unwind also when they are home, but homework will be done before they go to bed. Do you mind if I swipe this blog topic? I would, of course, give the credit to you for the original idea. Is that ok?

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By: Debbie

Debbie — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:54:18 +0000

Thankfully all my kids are grown and I don’t have to fight any of those battles any more – and only a few of them might be battles with the Grammy!
I agree with many of yours but I disagree with school attendance and language. To me, school is their “job” and if they don’t learn at a young age that sometimes you have to go even when you don’t want to they may have trouble being a reliable employee to anyone. As far as language, I’m as guilty of letting “bad” words fly on occasion as anyone. However, I also know that that kind of language is not acceptable in many places and situations and if they learn that at home they won’t be surprised when there are consequences for using it somewhere else.

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By: Cali

Cali — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:16:20 +0000

I agree with a lot of what you said–though not all. I definitely feel like fighting to get my 3 year old to take a nap far outweighs the benefits of the nap once he finally, if ever, falls asleep. Besides–since he’s awake he usually entertains the baby while I get stuff done. Can’t complain about that.

I am curious, though, as to what you recommend for quiet time? He always wants a movie–but I don’t love the idea of a movie for quiet time.

I think that language is worth the fight. I notice a big difference in my efforts to be spiritually minded when I use foul language. I grew up in a home where my parents swore, and I thought it was confusing to know that those words weren’t “good” words, but to hear them use them anyway. It especially hurt my feelings when they used them with me in anger.

By: dad hyatt

dad hyatt — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:04:38 +0000

facinating, Shannon! I’m interested in the underlying principles that help determine what makes a battle worth it or not. In general, my heritage (both nuclear fam, and the anglo-saxon authoritatianism of our cult) is for too much — I wish many battles I have fought had not been. Which do the Lord fight? Fairly few. We are too often over-wronght w others’ behavior.
Though one can fight a battle surreptitiously, or quietly and psychologically. This is harder, to let a person you love go down a path headed into trouble as you see it. Rather, let us qiuietly and repeatedly offer better options, always hoping for good choices. I know this sounds weird coming from an authoritarian.
BTW, I almost always have approved of yours and Tom’s permissiveness style.
Love, Dad

By: Nancy

Nancy — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:04:03 +0000

Fun post — and thought-provoking. My 2-cents on school attendance: this was not original with me, but I allowed one “get out of school free” per year (no excuses to Mom needed) and was amazed at how jealously my kids guarded that privilege. They usually finally took it sometime in April or May. Otherwise, our understanding was that school was the kids’ “work,” and they were supposed to do it, just like I cleaned the house or Dad went to his own work.

As for the homework, I feel pretty militant about that one. I figured that homework was between the teacher and the child–I refused to “enforce” something this 3rd party sometimes tried to inject between my child and me. On the other hand, I also would not protect my children from the consequences of not following school rules.

I, too, resented the idea that the school (teacher, etc.) could dictate how I as a parent spent my afternoons and evenings, not to mention my resentment of their intruding on my children’s out-of-school lives. They already had them for 6-7 hours, for goodness sake!!! (and I guess I should explain that my children were all successful academically or have become so by their 2nd or 3rd college degree)

My experience varied somewhat from some of your other points, but in general: Hear! Hear!

By: Stacy

Stacy — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:56:03 +0000

Clothes- so not worth it. Evelyn learned to take her clothes off at 18 months, and she was probably naked most of the time for the next year and a half. Sure I threw something on her when we went out, but other than that, who cares? (We did live in Houston at the time, so she didn’t freeze or anything.)
Naps- not worth the fight. I tried so hard with my oldest, but when she was already in her room screaming for 3 to 4 hours a day with unconsolable tantrums, locking her in screaming for a nap was hardly worth it. Now that she’s manageable, quiet time is definitely a sacred part of the day.
TV viewing – not worth it. I guess it’s a sign of bad parenting, but I would go crazy if I couldn’t turn on the TV and have a break from the screaming for 30 minutes. It’s a pretty sad day when they’re on the 5th time watching Little Einsteins, but you do what you have to to survive.
Eating – SO not worth it. Somebody tell my husband, PLEASE! He thinks they’ll die of starvation if they don’t eat their dinner, and it’s hardly ever a pleasant experience. You can’t force an 18-month old to eat. He just doesn’t get it.

By: TopHat

TopHat — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:37:09 +0000

Now, my babe is not even 5 months old, so nothing is worth any fight (who fights with a 5 month old?)

But some fights I wish my parents had felt were not worth it, but didn’t:
Halloween costumes. Just let your kids pick them!
Bell bottoms (and anything fashion related-modest of course)- let them wear them. Not worth the fight.
Hobbies- I had my parents try to not allow me to knit. Come on! It’s knitting, not smoking pot!

Anyway, yeah.

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By: Cristan

Cristan — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:28:07 +0000

Ditto Memarie Lane…I took a 5 year sabbatical from church as soon as I got out of the house.
Agree with the others…Yay for Beta Moms!

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By: Erin

Erin — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:00:44 +0000

My kids are getting bigger and we are having battles with how we talk to each other. I don’t mind the jestful teasing as such, I actually think it is normal (and usually funny.) I do, however, not put up with back-talk with attitude or defiance. I think that part of having well adjusted kids is letting them have spats with each other and us parents a bit. All out sass is rarely ok to me.

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By: the mama bird diaries

the mama bird diaries — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:34:24 +0000

I fought long and hard on the hair. I had girls. Don’t I deserve to do their hair? And then I gave up. And life is nicer now. Great post.

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By: Memarie Lane

Memarie Lane — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:11:45 +0000

I agree with all of yours except the church one. If we hadn’t had church required of us to such an extent growing up, and shoved down our throats at every turn, we wouldn’t have been so desperate to escape from it. A it is my kids love church, and I’m glad, but if they ever asked for a break I’d gladly give it to them, for the same reasons Mrs. Lynde gives for school absence. In fact I think it’s probably easier to catch up with church than it is to catch up with school.